Subject: Ethafoam
The following discussion took place in private mail and is reproduced here in edited form with the permission of the corespondents. I am posting it not only in order to nip a possible rumour in the bud, but for the valuable technical information transmitted in the process; many thanks to Jessica and Doug for all the work they put into this. Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 11:41 CST From: Jessica Johnson <tqaa345 [at] utxvm__cc__utexas__edu> At a recent meeting of the Collection Managers Committee of the Texas Association of Museums a rumour was circulating that Dow had changed the blowing agent for Ethafoam (because of problems with CFC's) so that it was now "acid". Questioning a few people, I think that the concern is that now a layer of fatty acids is left on the surface so that it's not safe to put materials directly on the surface. Does anybody know anything about this? Are fatty acids a concern because of deterioration of Ethafoam, or damage to objects? Does anybody have a good contact at Dow I can question? Thanks, Jessie Johnson Texas Memorial Museum Date: 05 Feb 1993 11:36:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Nishimura <dwnpph [at] ritvax__isc__rit__edu> I called two people at CCI with regard to Jessie Johnson's question about the Ethafoam rumours. Scott Williams is really not involved in plastics and storage anymore, but I thought I would see if he had heard anything. His successor is Jean Tetreault and I contacted him also. Scott had heard the rumours but had no confirmation at all. Jean Tetreault hadn't really heard anything about it, but said that if anyone had actually had a problem with the new Ethafoam, he would like to hear about it and possibly initiate a project to determine the cause of the problem (or at least contact Dow Canada about it.) The three of us were speculating about the "fatty acids" part and couldn't come up with any reasonable source for such chemicals. Jean had suggested that the carboxylic acids, if they existed, were likely low boiling such as formic and acetic and I have to admit that such a thought hadn't occurred to me. (Sources of such LB acids are more common than the usual longer ones.) Usually "fatty acids" are very long chain acids such as oleic acid, etc. (Fats themselves are esters of "long chain acids" and glycerol thus fatty acids are usually thought of as being "long chain" also.) Jean and Scott also thought that if indeed hydrolysis of glycerol esters were the problem, they would result in yellowing of the foam and messy deposits. (Guess they wouldn't make ethafoam out of used bacon grease.) It also seems much more likely that if Dow was already using a physical blowing agent like CFCs that they would be more likely to switch to a more acceptable physical blowing agent such as pentane (very commonly used right now) rather than going through all the expense of adding chemical blowing agents and reformulating the plastic to handle such blowing agents. All in all, it just sounded like a weird problem. -Doug Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 03:18 CST From: Jessica Johnson <tqaa345 [at] utxvm__cc__utexas__edu> I've spoken to the source of the rumour on Ethafoam. Her name is Milly Walker the Collections Manager of the Dr. Pepper Museum in Waco. She has correspondence with F. Douglas Wilson, Product Steward for Ethafoam from September 1992. In this letter he explained that in 1990 Dow Chemical changed their blowing agents from CFCs to stearamids or fatty-acid derivatives. According to him they have the unfortunate effect of migrating to the surface of the Ethafoam over time and leaving a soapy feeling residue. He did an informal pH test of the surface of the foam by placing a water droplet on the surface and measuring pH with pH paper. Ethafoam products with no additives (slip agents, anti-static) have a pH of 6 in his test; those with additives gave a pH of 5. Milly Walker says her samples seem to feel more soapy over the time she's had them. Does anybody know what blowing agents Sentinal Foam uses? Jessie Johnson Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 16:19 CST From: Jessica Johnson <tqaa345 [at] utxvm__cc__utexas__edu> ... I spoke to Douglas Wilson, Product Steward for Dow Ethafoam. He was the one who wrote the letter to Milly Walker at the Dr. Pepper Museum, and the original source of information that's floating around. According to Wilson, early in 1990 the blowing agent for Ethafoam was changed from CFC 114 to HCFC 142B because of concerns about the damage to the ozone layer. HCFC 142B (and most other blowing agents that aren't CFCs) require "perm select additives" which maintain a pressure balance between the off-gassing blowing agent and the air permeating into the structure and keeps the cell structure from collapsing. This is where the "fatty acids" come in. The additive they use is stearyl stearamid, a fatty acid derivative (I think). In the pink anti-static Ethafoam they use glycerol monostearate. Because of tighter government regulations they will be changing the blowing agents again within the year, however, whatever they use will probably require a "perm select additive". So what does this mean for those of us that depend on Ethafoam? Wilson doesn't know how stable stearyl stearamid is and whether it will go through chemical/physical changes over time that might affect objects in contact. He thinks there must be a molecular film of stearamid on the surface of Ethafoam, but that it probably doesn't migrate towards the surface, but stays dispersed in the foam. That last statement was just a guess he made though. He also did an informal pH test (I reported it in another message) that showed the surface pH to be about 6, this is probably wildly inaccurate though. I've talked to Jean Tetreault at CCI about this some more, and he's going to look into it further. I also plan to talk to people at Sentinal and find out if their polyethylene foams have the same additives. I'd appreciate any ideas or feedback anybody has. Is pH 6 too acidic for sensitive objects, are we going to have to go back and cover all of our ethafoam. Will paper work, or does it have to be impermeable (another use for Tyvek!) Should we worry about fatty acid deposits even on non-porous stuff like porcelains, will it attract dust? Is it volatile, another source of acidic vapors in storage. What else should I worry about? Jessie Johnson Date: 09 Feb 1993 10:38:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Nishimura <dwnpph [at] ritvax__isc__rit__edu> ... I went back to notes from Scott Williams at CCI from 1988/1990 (a week session on plastics in Toronto at the ROM and the AIC pre-session) and noted that from his work that Dow (Canada) (I assume) said that Ethafoam was "pentane replaced by air". In the same notes he says that Sentinel is "butane then air." Since physically blown foams don't leave chemical residues, I can only assume that CCI got this information from Dow Canada and Sentinel respectively although it does leave the question that if pentane/air was used in Ethafoam before, then why does Dow need to change the blowing agent. Stearamide is one of the compounds added (at least in Canada) as a slip agent for polypropylene films. The other one used in Canada is oleamide. Similar long chain amides of fatty acids are used in the US. These substances (I have a bag full of one of the agents used) are waxes of sorts and considered to be chemically fairly inert. The problem is that they leave a waxy coating on things in contact with them and tend to make PP films look cloudy. I've seen these compounds used in some PE films also. Stearamide will undergo acid catalyzed hydrolysis although it is very slow. Even very small amides require a lot of work to react. Benzamide with ethanol (while not hydrolysis is a very similar substitution reaction) requires HCl at 75 C for 28 hours and produces about 54% theoretical yield. Stearamide is very insoluble in water and would be very slow to react. Even if you did get stearic acid out of this, it too is very very insoluble and has a pKA of 198.6. Jean Tetreault raised the point that if large chain fatty acids are formed, that Ethafoam will have a yellowing problem that would not be acceptable to Dow or the public. Stearic acid can undergo oxidation in the air forming a yellow residue with a rather rancid odor to it.... One last thing: the difference in pH between a 5 and a 6 with plastic materials is pretty iffy in significance. Even using a three hour soak time with partly degraded cellulose acetate (good water penetration, reasonably fast diffusion and very soluble acid) three specimens from the same piece of film (no gelatin) results in a wider than 1 pH unit variation. -Doug Date: Tue, 9 Mar 93 16:40 CST From: Jessica Johnson <tqaa345 [at] utxvm__cc__utexas__edu> I have just received CCI Analytical Report EDR No. 1883 from Jean Tetreault. In it he describes tests he did evaluating Ethafoam (Dow), Polyplank (Astro-Polyfoam Ltd.) and Sentinel foam (Sentinel) in response to my questions and those of other individuals. To quote his cover letter ..."The conclusion of this report shows that there is no fatty acid inside the foam. Ethafoam uses stearyl stearamide a fatty amide as blowing "control" agent to slow down the blowing process. Because amide compounds have been used for years in the past as slipping agent(s) without reported damages, we still consider polyethylene foam as suitable material." .... Jessica Johnson *** Conservation DistList Instance 6:49 Distributed: Friday, March 12, 1993 Message Id: cdl-6-49-005 ***Received on Friday, 12 March, 1993