Subject: Carbopol
Ritianne Psaila <gotharty [at] yahoo__com> writes >I am trying to use gels made of Carbopol (Ultrez10) for cleaning a >wall painting. However, I noticed that sometimes the gel tends to >become liquid after a few seconds from its application and is >readily absorbed by the substrate. I can't say that I have worked with Carbopol poly(acrylic acid) gels much, but they seem to be fairly similar to the polyacrylate thickeners used in acrylic paints (Acrysol type). These also thicken in alkaline conditions. The higher viscosity is due to polymer expansion from electrostatic repulsion of now deprotonated acrylic acid groups. All those negative charges are trying to get as separated as possible, creating a greatly expanded polymer volume. These can be susceptible to divalent cations like Ca+2 which associate with the negatively charged acrylic acid groups causing the gel to collapse into insoluble salts--it's the same association process in hard water regions responsible for soap scum. However, the gelling ability of the polymer is also directly related to the pH of the solution: essentially you are relying on there being lots of deprotonated acrylic acid groups. Your range of pH 5-8 would suggest that you are just on the verge of making the acrylic acid groups deprotonate. Such a wide range also suggests that you might be using the pH to adjust the thickness instead of using varying polymer concentrations to do that. When the solution is applied to the painting, a near neutral pH may be adjusting to a lower value (more acidic) and thus protonating the acrylic acid groups that are responsible for the higher viscosity and thereby causing the gel to collapse into a running liquid. If your surface can tolerate it, try using a higher pH (or at least stay consistently on the high end of your pH range) and then adjust the amount of Carbopol to achieve the viscosity you want. Gregory Dale Smith, Ph.D. Andrew W. Mellon Assistant Professor of Conservation Science Art Conservation Department Rockwell Hall #230 1300 Elmwood Avenue Buffalo NY 14222 716-878-4646 Fax: 716-878-5039 *** Conservation DistList Instance 20:24 Distributed: Friday, November 3, 2006 Message Id: cdl-20-24-002 ***Received on Thursday, 19 October, 2006