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Re: [ARSCLIST] The Incompetence at ENHS
As important as this material is,it is in public
domain,as such I agree it should be out
there.However,from your posts here,you do not make it
clear,if the material is caught up in government red
tape,or if there are not enough people at Menlo
Park/East Orange ,to do the work of digitizing,and
uploading it,or if you are merely concerned about
somebody else taking credit for your work.I do not
know the background to your story,beyond what you
say,but each of these are different issues,that need
to be addressed seperately.Not all of which,should be
addressed here.
The phonograph was important,but not as important as
the newspaper was in shaping American politics.William
Randolph Hearst,being the obvious example.Why do you
think Woodrow Wilson pick up Lincoln's practice of
throwing newspaper editors,and magazine publishers in
jail ?
And,as for Johnson & Berliner stealing Edison's
ideas,that is open to debate,I don't believe they
did,given Edison's initial reluctance to enter the
disc market.As well as the reasons he made his
discs,and players incompatable,with any other
maker's.All of which has been documented,and
debated,ad nauseum elsewhere.
With that I say goodnight.
Roger Kulp
--- Mike Loughlin <mikel78_rpm@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Mr. Kulp, I am sorry you think this is petty stuff.
> It certainly isn't. On
> Dec. 6 1877 the history of the world was changed
> drastically by the
> invention of the phonograph. What was the world like
> before this date? How
> did the phonograph change the politics of America
> and the face of war? Why
> was the phonograph outlawed by Islam? The oldest
> recording of Thomas
> Edison's voice is a message to Blaine , an 1888
> Presidential candidate,
> where Edison asks Blaine to speak for the phonograph
> so he can make copies
> and pass them along to friends, this is the
> beginning of recorded media
> campaigning. In 1878 Edison brought the phonograph
> to President Hayes where
> they made recordings until the wee hours of the
> morning. Go to my site and
> look and listen to "The Burial of the Maine victims"
> film, played along with
> Buffalo Bills propaganda on the war. (Yes I know it
> is a Berliner recording,
> but he was just a thief of Edison's idea.)
>
> There is nothing petty about what occurred at Menlo
> Park or The Edison
> Laboratories in East Orange NJ. This is where the
> world was transformed
> into what it is today. This is where modern
> propoganda and warfare began.
> It should not be run and access to it should not be
> regulated by
> incompetent and corrupt people.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Roger and Allison Kulp
> <thorenstd124@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion
> List
> ><ARSCLIST@xxxxxxx>
> >To: ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The Incompetence at ENHS
> >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:59:46 -0700
> >
> >I think you're blowing this out of
> proprtion.There's
> >an illegal war going on that has killed
> 100,000s,with
> >no end in sight.The Bill of Rights no longer exists
> in
> >America,and we're looking at the propbabilty of
> >another stolen election,and this is the sort of
> petty
> >stuff you're worried about ?
> > Roger Kulp
> >
> >
> >--- Mike Loughlin <mikel78_rpm@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Mr. Brylawski,
> > > If you read my original
> > > post you will find nothing
> > > immflamatory in them. If you read the
> subsequent
> > > post you will see they are
> > > the ones that get personal with me and avoid the
> > > issue. It is funny though
> > > that the Library of Congress had to procure the
> > > ENHS recordings of the 1888
> > > "White Wax" cylinders from me because they
> could
> > > not get them from the ENHS
> > > or would you like to tell us why the "Dixon
> Sound
> > > Experiment " film, which
> > > the LOC is in charge of and the Soundtrack
> cylinder
> > > which the ENHS is in
> > > charge of is still not available to be heard
> > > together on the internet?
> > >
> > > I have just read the rules you
> > > posted and my orignal post
> > > goes directly to the point of govenment
> incompetence
> > > in the distribution of
> > > public domain and publicly owned sound
> recordings. I
> > > am glad to see you are
> > > now at UCSB, which is doing an outstanding job
> with
> > > cylinder recordings,
> > > which have enabled me to make an amazing
> website,
> > > and no longer with the LOC
> > > which for some reason posts no cylinder
> recordings.
> > >
> > > A couple of monts ago I asked Jerry
> Fabris
> > > if it would be alright
> > > if I donated the 160 CDS from ENHS that I have
> to
> > > UCSB because their system
> > > was fantastic and maybe they and ENHS should
> team up
> > > to make the ENHS
> > > recordings available to the world. He was
> totally
> > > against this, even though
> > > he had no real plan on what to do with the
> > > recordings besides put them on
> > > his own biweekly radio show. That is corrupt and
> > > incompetent. I thought it
> > > was a good Idea and would be glad glve you the
> > > recordings if you want them.
> > >
> > > Both replies to my post were insulting and
> > > irrelevant in their tone and
> > > content, I did not post this thread to insult or
> > > flame anyone. The holding
> > > back of recordings at the ENHS by the government
> is
> > > a serious issue.
> > >
> > > A few days ago Mr. Seubertt asked for commentary
> for
> > > the ARSCLIST
> > > publication. That is what I am posting,
> commentary
> > > about a vital issue.
> > > People from ARSCLIST should be involved to fight
> > > against a status quo that
> > > has only one (1) person working on ALL the
> > > recordings at ENHS. That is a
> > > travesty.
> > >
> > > I apologize if I offended anyone that did not
> offend
> > > me.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike Loughlin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Sam Brylawski <goodlistening@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Reply-To: Association for Recorded Sound
> Discussion
> > > List
> > > ><ARSCLIST@xxxxxxx>
> > > >To: ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The Incompetence at
> ENHS
> > > >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:12:20 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Mr. Loughlin,
> > > >
> > > >Your messages to the ARSCLIST are intemperate
> and
> > > inflammatory. Flaming, in
> > > >particular, will not be tolerated.
> > > >
> > > >The responses I have seen to your message do
> not
> > > refute your complaint. No
> > > >one who wrote was qualified to judge your
> gripe,
> > > and they said so. But all
> > > >of them did say, in so many words, that the
> > > ARSCLIST is not the venue to
> > > >pursue your complaint against the Park Service.
> Nor
> > > is it ever the venue to
> > > >exhibit rudeness to responders.
> > > >
> > > >No one on the list wishes to deny you the right
> to
> > > investigate the
> > > >disposition of digital recordings held at ENHS,
> nor
> > > take any appropriate
> > > >action directly with the site. Yet, within this
> > > venue, you have undermined
> > > >your own case by the tone of your submissions.
> > > >
> > > >Excerpts from the ARSCLIST guidelines (found at
> > > www.arsc-audio.org) are
> > > >below. Tone it down or you will be thrown off
> the
>
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