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Re: [ARSCLIST] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] Dating LPs ?
Major label stuff yes,but indie rock was still analogue/tape,until about the turn of the decade/century,with a lot of audiophile quality records made.We all know about "Nevermind",recorded at SubPop,released by Geffen,that was issued as one of the more highly sought after MoFis,and "Dirt Track Date",by Southern Culture On The Skids,that made both Stereophile,and TAS best of lists.I can supply anyone with another highly recommended list."Psychopathia Sexualis", by The Makers springs to mind.One of the best,and best recorded,rock albums,ever.
Roger Kulp
Steven Smolian <smolians@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: For purposes of the study I'm working on, 1985 is my cut-off year at the
moment. After that, most everything is born digital and has had its audio
translated for LP purposes. Some records are still made with tape masters,
but not most. It's akin (not identical) to dubbing Edison discs to
cylinders to feed that minority market.
And Schwann's successive managements keep changing the ground rules for
being listed.
I'm not dismissing the later LPs, just leaving them for someone else to deal
with right now. It's tough enough fishing in the vast ocean preceeding 1986
as the big fish keep eating the smaller ones.
Steve Smolian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger and Allison Kulp"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] Dating LPs ?
> Hi Steve,
> Actually it will be sixty years of the Lp,in less than two years.There is
> an incredible amount of new non-classical material out there on Lp,and
> most of it goes straight to eBay.There is no way any one person,or series
> of books could cover it all.My mind is somewhat of a fog right now,but I
> can only think of one Silvertone label on Lp,and that's the 90s blues
> label.The two Sears labels I am aware of are both 78.The early Mercury Lps
> are from a myriad of sources.I have forgotten what the little labels they
> got the jazz from were,but the classical are from several sources,among
> them Supraphon.I can't recall offhand where the German stuff from.Can you
> jog my memory on this,Tom ?
>
> Roger Kulp
>
> Steven Smolian wrote: As time and generations pass, a
> resource identifying first label of issue
> and release dates will be come increasingly necessary. There is a forty
> to
> fifty year accumulation of LPs. Since we are all part of the generation
> for whom they are a daily experience, we assume everyone knows and those
> that follow will always know the lore relating to them. But 50 years from
> know, who will remember if the Mercury, Golden Import or World Series
> release came first, perhaps had tube processing sound and was pressed on
> quite material? I'm already running into this with the small mono
> companies. And where did all those Mercury monos in the brown or green
> covers come from? Some came from U.S. Silvertones (the Enesco conducting
> sides). Are the performer names real on them? (not always.)
>
> Now is the time to sum up.
>
> Kurtz Myers "Index to Record Reviews" include his untanglings. The
> "Record
> Ratings" short version cover util c. 1956 (though it says later). The
> latter is around for c. $ 25, the former, 4 volumes at $ 500, the
> supplements $ 100-200 per volume. Or less, if you're lucky. It covers
> mostly classical releases.
>
> Steve Smolian
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fine"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] Dating LPs ?
>
>
>> Hi Blake:
>>
>> You might try some university school of music libraries. Some of them
>> might well have kept music-company release catalogs, or perhaps received
>> a
>> donation from a distributor or executive. These will have the information
>> you're seeking. Schwann, as has been pointed out, is also the likely
>> source.
>>
>> I ask again, why is album release date particularly important? I would
>> think session date/info is enough.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "D. Blake Werts"
>> To:
>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] Dating LPs ?
>>
>>
>>> Thanks Don...
>>>
>>> Not that I'm defending the response that was provided, I did neglect to
>>> note
>>> in my original post that I am specifically speaking in terms of
>>> Classical
>>> and Operatic recordings. [And a couple of _years_ of doing "Google
>>> searches" hasn't provided links to public sites with the information
>>> that
>>> I
>>> seek.
>>>
>>> D. Blake Werts
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Don Tait"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:39 PM
>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] Dating LPs ?
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Frankly," to use your word, I am equally aghast that you use the
>>>> words
>>>> "laziness and stupidity" to characterize this request. It was clearly
>>> sincere. If
>>>> you had this information to impart, fine. Do so in the spirit of
>>>> helping
>>> an
>>>> honest, genuine request for help and give collegial advice and
>>>> assistance
>>> to
>>>> someone who might not have known about the sources you cite.
>>>>
>>>> Don Tait
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ----
>>>
>>>
>>>> Frankly,I am aghast at either the laziness,or stupidity of some
>>> people.There have been price guides out there for about thirty five
>>> years,and now with this here "series of tubes" thingy, the internets,and
>>> all,you just need to do a simple Google,and you usually find out fairly
>>> soon.Both Sides Now http://www.bsnpubs.com/discog.html is fairly
>>> accurate
>>> for the bigger labels,but not so hot for indies.There are numerous
>>> collector
>>> sites for budget classical of the 50s/early 60s,and for 50s/60s/70s
>>> rock,from all over the world,that have ridiculously complete
>>> discographical
>>> information,that I could never dream of putting together on my own.And
>>> there
>>> are new sites coming online all the time,like one I discovered recently
>>> for
>>> post-Shadows,pre-Beatles European/Asian guitar bands.Granted there are
>>> still
>>> some unknown private-issue Lps,mostly,classical,as well as stuff like
>>> "The
>>> Harlem Twisters"(Canadian),I have yet to find anything on,but there is
>>> very
>>> little of this.Sheesh
>>>>
>>>> Roger Kulp
>>>>
>>>> Tom Fine wrote: Hi Blake:
>>>>
>>>> I think the Schwann is as close as possible for what you're trying to
>>>> do,
>>> unless you can acquire old
>>>> sales catalogs, which I think would indicate exact release dates. I
>>>> think
>>> you'd have difficulty
>>>> finding those catalogs from back in ye dayes because there has been so
>>> much M&A activity in the
>>>> record-company business. I notice CD reissues concentrate on recording
>>> dates -- and sometimes rely
>>>> on less-than-reliable discography books. I'm not sure why the LP
>>>> release
>>> date is important enough to
>>>> go through the exercise of gathering the info.
>>>>
>>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "D. Blake Werts"
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:37 PM
>>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Dating LPs ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > The scenario: I've got a "few" Long Plays (LPs) and I would love to
>>>> > be
>>> able
>>>> > to ascertain an approximate "release date" for each as I am
>>>> > populating
>>> my
>>>> > collection database. The approximations do not need to be of high
>>>> > precision--a range of 3 to 4 months would suffice. Barring knowledge
>>>> > of
>>> the
>>>> > existence of an "Almost Complete 78 RPM Record Dating Guide" for LPs,
>>> I'm
>>>> > somewhat at a loss as to how I might be able to find such
>>>> > information.
>>> For
>>>> > example, I would like to be able to take the label and catalog number
>>>> > of
>>> an
>>>> > LP like a favorite of mine, (Mercury MS90488 Rodrigo: Concierto
>>>> > Andaluz,
>>>> > Concierto de Aranjuez - Romeros), and be presented with the
>>>> > information
>>> I
>>>> > seek.
>>>> >
>>>> > Question 1: does any such general resource exist (in print or
>>> electronic)?
>>>> > or currently being created?
>>>> >
>>>> > Question 2 [and probably the REAL question of this post]: would
>>>> > anyone
>>> else
>>>> > be interested in such a resource (other collectors, libraries,
>>> institutions,
>>>> > etc.)?
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm asking these questions because I am considering beginning such a
>>> project
>>>> > and would like to hear your thoughts. I know that there are lots of
>>> details
>>>> > to work through--first trying to see if there would be a need/use for
>>> such
>>>> > effort.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks Much for your Time,
>>>> > D. Blake Werts
>>>> >
>>>>
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