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Re: [ARSCLIST] De-clicking



I once inserted a drum passage (a second or so) where it had been omitted between sides. This occurred in William Steinberg's Musicraft recording of the Shostakovich Seventh..fortunately the quality of the recording and pressings allowed for this kind of edit, with minimal change in EQ. Incidentally, the same snare drum passage is missing in the LP issue on Allegro, which was supposedly (in part) from different takes.

I also had to insert a few bars in a Chopin Sonata where Guiomar Novaes had inadvertently forgotten to play them..again, between 78 sides. This was on a Music and Arts issue. I don't think anyone has yet identified the pitch-hitter.

dl

Malcolm Rockwell wrote:
I've had success in lifting a few milliseconds from somewhere else in the recording - usually from another chorus, or verse or bar in the piece - and inserting it where the zit was excised. This is only a sometimes solution, though, although it's invisible when it succeeds. Works for both analog and digital splicing, but best done digitally, because with analog you'd be working from a copy. Realistically it should be at 15 or 30 ips, too, to have enough tape to splice!
Mal


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Tom Fine wrote:
Hi Doug:

<snip> When the needle jumps the groove like with a gouge or a big vinyl zit, all bets are off because there is no underlying music to mimick. I try to avoid records in that bad shape but sometimes you get 'em. After years of doing this, I've come to the conclusion that the most natural-sounding solution is just reduce the pop waveform to the level of the accompanying music. <snip>
-- Tom Fine


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pomeroy" <pomeroyaudio@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] De-clicking



Hi Tom,

I assume the reference to "Jack" is a reference to Jack Towers.
He will tell you he got the oxide scraping technique from discussions
with the late John RT Davies. I have worked with some of John's tapes,
and I can report his scraping was VERY carefully done. I have also worked
with some of Jack's tapes, and I have to say Jack usually took off too much
oxide, producing an obvious dropout; I had to fix lots of these, using
crossfades, or by careful deletion of part of the audible silence.


doug pomeroy

From: Tom Fine <tflists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxx>
To: ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] De-clicking
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:52:44 -0400


Hi Parker:

I'm sorry, I misunderstood what you were describing. Now I understand. That would absolutely work, but what an art form! Wow, I wonder what Jack experimented on to learn the art.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- From: "Parker Dinkins" <parker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] De-clicking



on 7/26/07 8:06 PM US/Central, Tom Fine at tflists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:

But if you do Jack's method, you're left with the same problem as Terry -- a
microsecond of blank space, which is just as noticeable and annoying as the
click.

By scraping off only the precise moment of the click, you're in effect
creating a high speed fadeout and fade-in. It's audible, but less annoying
than the click itself.


There's an overview of analog and digital de-clicking at
http://www.cedaraudio.com/intro/declick_intro.html - but without a
description of manually scraping off the oxide.

--
Parker Dinkins
MasterDigital Corporation
Audio Restoration + CD Mastering
http://masterdigital.com


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