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Re: [ARSCLIST] TAPE resources online



Has the possibility that the winding contact between the two emulsions - front and back coats - is the cause of the syndrome? That it is really the interaction of the two emulsions? If this were the case then removing the backcoating should halt any further degradation, once the tape has been baked, that is.
Baking and transfer still makes the best sense to me, though. Then tossing the original master.
I remember hearing - back in the early 80s - that Ampex 456 would begin absorbing moisture from the air immediately upon opening the plastic bag around the reel. Then again, I have actually seen the syndrome in full force upon opening the bag after boxes of tape had been stored unopened for a few years. This was disappointing, to say the least. Especially with the expensive 2" stock! Couldn't even sell the stuff unopened.
Mal Rockwell


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Tom Fine wrote:
One man's opinion here, perhaps amping up Richard's concerns to "11" -- I would NEVER do the Richardson method for any tape I owned or cared about, nor would I recommend it to clients. And even if I were considering using it, I'd want to talk to MANY people who had removed the back-coat and also listen to their transfers and see if the audio quality seemed ruined or not. And, I'd want to wait 5 years because I suspect that this method actually destroys the tape and renders it unplayable after it's stored a while following the initial play. For sure, if I were going to melt away the backcoating on a tape, I'd make damn sure I had the finest playback/transfer system available to me because I'd pretty much assume that it would play once if that after it was "treated."

Again, one man's opinion.

-- Tom Fine


----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard L. Hess" <arclists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] TAPE resources online



At 05:10 PM 2007-08-16, Tommy Sjöberg wrote:
Hello list,
I was intrigued to read the US Patent 6797072 for curing sticky-shed tapes. It advocates removal of the back-coating in a machine using isopropyl alcohol and cotton swabs, wet and dry.


Now I'm wondering if anyone on this list has tried the method and would say something about it?

Tommy Sjoberg

Hello, Tommy,


Charlie Richardson and I have differing opinions
about the potential efficacy of this technique
based on a different understanding of the
mechanism behind the degradation we're trying to arrest/cure.

It is my understanding that the underlying
chemistries of both the mag coating and the back
coating on most of the tapes affected by sticky
shed syndrome are similar and subject to
breakdown in the presence of moisture.

The polymer chains break in this hydrolytic
breakdown and even the baking technique does not
cause the long chains to reform, but it does
drive out the moisture to the extent that it makes tapes playable.

Having the two surfaces in contact with each
other exacerbates the condition, but removing the
back coating does not reverse the hydrolytic
breakdown of the mag coating nor does it remove
the propensity of this coating to break down in the presence of moisture.

I believe Richardson recommends cool and dry
storage after removing the back coating which is good for any tape.

Any tape that is starting to degrade should be
copied (generally today that means a good digital
copy) and while the original should be maintained
in case the copy proves faulty, I don't think
you'll get a better copy in ten or twenty years
than you will now. In fact, I think you'll get a worse copy in twenty years.


I do think Richardson deserves credit for
exposing the myth that the back coating is a
non-player in the degradation of the tape, but I
think he went too far to say it's the only player.

Polyester polyurethanes are often unstable. I am
now wondering if I need to replace some older
camera bags that appear to be starting to show a
relative of sticky-shed on the coated fabrics.
We've seen this breakdown in paint on Philips
test equipment as well. Recording tape is not the
only area where polyester polyurethanes are under-performing over time.

Cheers,

Richard


Richard L. Hess email: richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.




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