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Re: [ARSCLIST] Ampex ATR-102 opinion (was MD5 Hash Generators
  Hi Tom,
  I think it's great that this forum will, after one posting and a  
reply, change the greeting from" Hello Mr Fine," to Hi Tom. I hope  
I'm not taking undo leeway.
  I did take the one day seminar at ATR and it was quite an  
experience in more ways than one.------- Sue and drove our F350 Club  
cab from Richmond Va. to York, Pa. the day before the seminar. For  
me, the next day was going to be a BIG day. I woke up at 5 AM, got up  
and took a shower at 6. I put on my Mitchum  deodorant, shaved  with  
a razor- not the electric job and put on a new pair of jeans, topped  
off with my gold and silver Virginia belt buckle. For a 65 year old  
dude, I LOOKED SHARP.
  Betti, Mark's wife, told me not get there early because they open  
the door a few minutes before 9 AM. I'm never late for anything, so I  
left at 8:15 and planned on waiting in the parking lot with my tongue  
panting.  My hotel was 4 miles form ATR's office.
  First I took the wrong ramp on the highway, picked up a nail and  
after 5 miles going the wrong way, I finally turned around and drove  
on an almost flat tire. I pulled in their lot, called AAA to fix the  
tire. They didn't. It was still flat when I left ATR at 5 PM.   The  
least of my problems.
  I was overdressed, the only audiophile in the group of 6. All the  
others were studio owners, two of which were there to pick up their  
ATR's. One was a 1 inch  2 track and the other a 1/4 inch 2 track. 9  
to 12  was classroom time on theory; Tom, you said "It's Basic Tape  
Recorders and Machine Alignment 101.''
 After lunch, we spent the rest of the day going through all the  
test and alignment procedures on the two machines the lucky owners  
were there to pick up. We all had the opportunity to perform all the  
adjustments on both machines using the Sound Technology 1510   
Analyzers that ATR employs to set up all their machines.  When you're  
a 9'th grader in a College class you keep your ears open and your  
mouth shut. However, I asked a few questions that were relevant to  
the the tasks at hand. With a little studying on the subject, I just  
might surprise myself!
  When it came close  to my turn I realized that my Mitchum wasn't  
working--the first time. Bill, ATR's tech, was over the shoulder  
while each attendee spent the 45 minutes going through the procedures  
with detailed explanations as to what was going on. I really  
should've recorded the procedure on my Ipod. My turn--- I passed with  
the excuse that I'll go through it again when I pick up my machine.  
I'm just old fashioned, but offending someone for the sake of  
learning something you've paid to learn, just doesn't compute. My day  
will come.---------By the way, the tire was still flat when I left  
the facility at 5 PM,  thanks AAA, and my deodorant was  on holiday.   
I think   next time will be better.
  Ken Fritz
On Jan 21, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Tom Fine wrote
Hi Ken:
A great place to learn a lot is to take one of ATR Services'  
seminars. I forgot if you said you had been to one already or not.
Good luck with your endeavors.
-- Tom Fine
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Fritz"  
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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ampex ATR-102 opinion (was MD5 Hash Generators
  Hello Mr Fine,
  It was gratifying to read your reply as well. It cited  
additional  views of what it takes to end up with a good machine  
along with   fortification of the views expressed by Richard Hess.
  In 1958, when I was in high school, I purchased a new Ampex  
351-2.  For a few years,  I recorded bands around the Wisconsin  
area until  marriage and a few kids eliminated that. I sold the  
machine and mikes  to a good friend of mine who put it in his  
closet and never used it.  Two Christmases ago, while visiting my  
family in Milwaukee, I called  him and bought it back. I always  
took good care of my things so it  looks just as if it rolled off  
the Ampex line. It probably has no  more than 1500 hours of use on  
it. I realize caps need to be replaced  after that amount of time  
and will probably do so at some time. Not  having ANY program  
material on tape I subscribed to The Tape Project  and now have 3  
tapes to play. WOW!! ---it's a start!
  I realize I need to begin learning about tape recorders and   
recording in general. Opinions such as yours are important to  
someone  who has  just about everything to learn.
  Thanks, Ken Fritz
On Jan 20, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Tom Fine wrote:
I'll second a lot of Richard's thoughts. If I did commercial- 
master  quality music tape transfers often enough, I'd own an ATR  
for sure,  and I'd be getting enough $$ from that kind of work to  
afford a  professional tech to keep it running. They're not  
necessarily  fragile machines, and not really finicky at least as  
I've noted in  the limited time I've spent using them, but when  
they break, it's a  complex electrical-mechanical system that is  
not for the basement  tinkerer to fix.
My pro-grade platform of choice is the Ampex AG-440B, with  
plenty  of tweaks to make it run very quiet and sound very  
smoothly. One  major tweak for older Ampex decks, by the way, is  
simply putting in  better heads. For instance, Ampex stock AG-440  
era full-track head  has a bass "bump" and a slight "presence  
bump" typical of Ampex  heads. Replace it with a Nortonics or  
more exotic flavor and  suddenly you can garner almost ruler-flat  
frequency response. There  are other tweaks. Anyway, AG-440's are  
cheap and plentiful and a  decent basement tinker CAN make one  
run very well, thus saving the  pennies for a JRF or IEM  
headblock restoration/alignment, which I consider mandatory for a  
professional-grade machine restoration.
I also sing the praises of the Technics 1500 series decks. These   
are gentle on tape, steady on speed, offer a variety of playback   
options and are of fine sound quality (not commercial-music  
master  grade but good enough for just about any other content).  
I had one  of these decks converted to full-track because I get a  
surprising  number of old brown-oxide 7.5IPS full-track spoken- 
word reels to  do. Few machines treat an old tape more gently  
than the Technics transport.
In the end, though, I think a good transfer/restoration man or   
woman has to rely on their ears and judgement much more than  
their  equipment. Talking up one's gear has been the age-old  
marketing  dodge for audio folks, and really tells a client very  
little about  how good a job you'll do. An excellent body of work  
can be done on  what's considered adequate gear and a terrible  
body of work can be  done on state-of-the-art ultra-tweaked gear.  
What you get when you engage Richard's services is not really the  
roomful of APR's and  Studers. It's his experience and judgement  
and proven track record  (and, in Richard's case in particular,  
his willingness to freely  share all kinds of important  
information and advice). Same with me  and anyone else who does  
good work on this list. Something to keep  in mind ... experience  
and good references beat gear lists as a  barometer of good work  
any day of the week.
-- Tom Fine
----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard L. Hess"   
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To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ampex ATR-102 opinion (was MD5 Hash  
Generators
Hello, Mr. Fritz,
An ATR-102, especially one refurbished my ATR Services in York,   
PA,  is held in high esteem by many. There are some who are   
concerned about its use on sticky archival tapes, but it is my  
understanding it can be properly set up for those tapes and  
sticky  tapes should be rendered temporarily non-sticky prior to  
playing  by baking.
I got into this business slowly and began adopting a variety of   
tape machines that appeared to meet my needs.
It is my goal to do an excellent job with as few different   
platforms as possible. My current mainstay in reel-to-reel   
machines are the Studer A80 and the Sony APR-5000.
ATR-102s are very expensive in good condition and while they  
are  superb, I have been able to find refurbishable A80s and  
excellent  condition APRs at much lower prices. My goal is to  
minimize  expenses so
   (a) I can keep more of the money to run my household
   (b) keep my pricing competitive and reasonably affordable
   (c) have some money to feed my location recording,  
photography,  and travel hobbies
The APRs are my machine of choice for most formats as they  
adapt  to different formats much easier than most machines. The  
A80s are  my machine of choice for NAB and DIN (Euro) stereo and  
full-track  mono formats of high-quality material as they sound  
slightly  better than the APRs. They are more difficult to  
change formats  on. In fact, I keep one dedicated as NAB  
playback and a second  switches between full-track mono and DIN  
playback, as needed. I am  in the process of transforming a  
third machine into a 15/30  machine to handle the few 30 in/s  
masters I'm currently seeing.
At the very high end, I think the choice of AVAILABLE and   
MAINTAINABLE machines comes down to: Ampex ATR-100, Studer  
A80RC,  Studer A820/2CH in alpha-numeric order. Each machine has  
its proponents. I do not lust after the other two as I'm not  
sure what  owning them will provide that the A80RC doesn't. The  
A80 is  perhaps the most maintainable longest term as it is a  
relatively  simple machine and all but one of its 31 bearings  
are stock,  standard metric ball bearings.
There are several more esoteric machines, including the Nagra T-  
Audio, Stellavox, and perhaps some other German (Telefunken?)   
machines that are not commonly available in North America. The  
Nagra would be probably the most common of these.
While the difference between the APR and the A80 RC is  
noticeable,  I'm not sure any potential further improvement that  
MIGHT be made  by the A820/2CH, the ATR-100, and the others is  
worth it or could  be justified by my client base.
I do find the Studer A810 close to the APR, but in a single  
blind  test that I've run by several people the end result  
repeatedly is  A80, APR-5000, A810 from best to good. I do have  
specific tasks  that I continue to use A810s for as they do  
certain "stupid tape  recorder tricks" better (at least as I  
have them accessorized)  than the APRs. The A80s are not  
accessorized for many "tricks". I  am planning on having  
varispeed available for them.
I handle half-inch tapes on both the APR-5000s and the APR-16.   
Some 1/4-inch tapes (specifically 8-channel ones) may be  
handled  in the future by a "FrankenSony" combination of an  
APR-5000  transport and the APR-16 electronics. Four-channel 1/4- 
inch tapes  are handled by two "FrankenSony" pairs of APR-5000s.  
1-inch tapes  are handled on the APR-16. I do not handle 2-inch  
tapes.
As I said, having a "stable" of different machines is not the   
mainstay of my equipment strategy. I would rather have one of  
the  best models supported in depth than one each of the three  
best. I  have enough indecision in my life. For 0.150-inch tape,  
my  mainstay is the Nakamichi Dragon, of which I have six, all   
currently up and running in the studio to do 6x ingest. I also   
have one each Tascam 234 and 238 machines to handle 4- and 8- 
track  cassettes and other oddball formats.
While I have a specially configured A807 for tape prep, it's   
infrequently used today, and I happily traded my A807 MK II for  
an  A80RC. Despite the photos on my website, the current reel-to- 
reel  machines in the studio are the APR-16, five APR-5000s, two  
A80RCs,  and a Racal Store 4DS and please read all the notes  
about that  machine in my blog before purchasing one.
Cheers,
Richard
At 09:20 PM 2008-01-19, Ken Fritz wrote:
   Mr. Hess,
    Being an  audiophile, who is  contributing as  much as   
possible $ $$ to the music industry, I have one question I'm  
sure  you can address.
  I've  navigated your web site with particular attention to your
stable of RTR machines. I realize that you need a variety of   
machines
to accommodate the variety of material supplied to you for
restoration. I've not seen an Ampex ATR machine. It is  
apparent  to me
that  you need more than a  "machine for all seasons"  and that  
may
be why the ATR isn't in your studio, if it is that.  May I have  
your
opinion on that machine.
  Regards, Ken Fritz --- an audiophile addict.
Richard L. Hess                   email: richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Aurora, Ontario, Canada       (905) 713 6733     1-877-TAPE-FIX
Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/  
contact.htm
Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.