Dear Friends:
Does anyone out there have a copy of or know anything about this Gramophone
recording?
Number: 14-12036 Mx: 2330 y Artist: Ovanes Efendi *OR* Lefteris Menemenlis Title: Si nome Arnaras Mastered: 15 to 19 December 1911 Place: Smyrna (Izmir)
It is listed in a Greek catalog as "Si nome Arnaras" by Lefteris. It is listed in the Gramophone logsheet as transcribed by Alan Kelly as "Si nome (Onomazetai) Amaros" and as "Evreico si nome Amaras (Spanish) by another researcher. (Spanish in this context usually means a Judeo-Spanish song of Sephardic origin.) I have never seen any other Sephardic song listed in Greek; usually Hebrew and Latin characters are used.
So I am trying to determine the artist, and whether the recording is in
Greek or Judeo-Spanish (Ladino.) Finding the record will resolve the artist
question, and actually hearing it will solve the language mystery.
I am happy to send a scan of a snippet of the catalog, which also lists the
title in Greek, to any Greek speaking list'er that may be able to help.
Many thanks!
Joel
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Excerpt from Alan Kelly's transcript from the original HMV Recording Register:
LEFTERIS MENEMENLIS (Greek) 2328 -12-11 11-12929 Psefticos Dounias 061 2329 -12-11 14-12030 I Aponia 059 OVANES Effendi (Spanish)[Sephardic Jewish] 2330 -12-11 14-12036 Si nome (Onomazetai) Amaras, Evreiko 064 OVANES Effendi, COMPAGNIE GREQUE [ELLINIKI ESTOUDIANTINA] (Alexandrian Greek) 2331 -12-11 3-14715 Englezitsa Kordeliou 056
It says unequivocally that 2330 y is sung by Ovanes, was categorized as "Spanish/Sephardic Jewish", and the Greek subtitle / genre indicator "Evreiko" (= Hebrew) supports this. Looking at Amir's comment and at the following mx. (2331 y) it seems that Ovanes might have been Armenian or Greek, and performed in various languages/styles.
Chris Zwarg
Hi, does anyone out there have a copy of or know anything about this Gramophone recording?
Number: 14-12036 Mx: 2330 y Artist: Ovanes Efendi *OR* Lefteris Menemenlis Title: Si nome Arnaras Mastered: 15 to 19 December 1911 Place: Smyrna (Izmir)
It is listed in a Greek catalog as "Si nome Arnaras" by Lefteris. It is listed in the Gramophone logsheet as transcribed by Alan Kelly as "Si nome (Onomazetai) Amaros" and as "Evreico si nome Amaras (Spanish) by another researcher. (Spanish in this context usually means a Judeo-Spanish song of Sephardic origin.)
So I am trying to determine the artist, and whether the recording is in
Greek or Judeo-Spanish (Ladino.) Finding the record will resolve the artist
question, and actually hearing it will solve the language mystery.
I am happy to send a scan of the snippet of the catalog, which also lists the title in Greek. By the way, I have never seen another Ladino song transcribed in Greek in a catalog. Hebrew characters are used, such as in catalogs I have from Sept, 1909 and January, 1911.
Many thanks!
Joel
Hi, does anyone out there have a copy of or know anything about this Gramophone recording?
Number: 14-12036 Mx: 2330 y Artist: Ovanes Efendi *OR* Lefteris Menemenlis Title: Si nome Arnaras Mastered: 15 to 19 December 1911 Place: Smyrna (Izmir)
It is listed in a Greek catalog as "Si nome Arnaras" by Lefteris. It is listed in the Gramophone logsheet as transcribed by Alan Kelly as "Si nome (Onomazetai) Amaros" and as "Evreico si nome Amaras (Spanish) by another researcher. (Spanish in this context usually means a Judeo-Spanish song of Sephardic origin.)
So I am trying to determine the artist, and whether the recording is in
Greek or Judeo-Spanish (Ladino.) Finding the record will resolve the artist
question, and actually hearing it will solve the language mystery.
I am happy to send a scan of the snippet of the catalog, which also lists the title in Greek. By the way, I have never seen another Ladino song transcribed in Greek in a catalog. Hebrew characters are used, such as in catalogs I have from Sept, 1909 and January, 1911.
Many thanks!
Joel
Joel Bresler 250 E. Emerson Rd. Lexington, MA 02420 USA
781-862-4104 (Telephone & FAX) joel.br@xxxxxxxxxxx IN CASE OF VERIZON EMAIL PROBLEMS, PLEASE USE MY BACK-UP EMAIL: joelbresler-at-gmail.com