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Re: [ARSCLIST] Fwd: Peter Copeland on RCA Victor recordings (1941)
David Lennick wrote:
Dumb question again..were a lot of late 40s Victors compressed and EQd 
beyond all belief because of something opposite in the players they 
were manufacturing at the time? I once heard Freddy Martin's Managua, 
Nicaragua played on a 1947 Victor machine and it sounded fabulous. 
Most Victors made from December 1944, including Toscanini and Henri 
Rene and Spike and Tommy Dorsey, are impossible to EQ (and they get 
even worse in Canada because they sent up production masters which 
were re-dubbed in Montreal, complete with wow, clipped first notes, 
chopped last notes, and more wow). This seems to end around 1950-51.
dl
Michael Biel wrote:
Tom Fine wrote:
You can hear that Victor was doing compression/limiting for sure by 
the 40s. Listen to Spike Jones "Popcorn Sack" for instance, or other 
material if you prefer less corny. 
Spike Jones might not be a good example to use because a lot of his 
masters were dubbed.  The ledger sheets note some specific examples 
where it was done because a gunshot or something overloaded the 
recording, but I have a feeling that a lot of the release masters 
were routinely dubs.
Actually I think the question is not whether Victor was doing it, but 
if it was done simultaneously on each mic individually.  It could be 
that they were doing it selectively on a particular mic, or, of 
course, on the composite mix.  And considering your father's 
technique of simplicity and single-mic recording, I would love to 
have found out what his opinion would be of having all these 
electronics compressing a half dozen mics separately!
Mike Biel  mbiel@xxxxxxxxx
The evidence of records made by RCA from 1944 onwards into the early 
50s, including those made on tape, make it clear, at least to me, that a 
limiter was being inserted into the recording chain, most likely after 
the mixer output and before the recorder.  There isn't any direct 
evidence for this from RCA's recording sheets, but since these were made 
up after the session, and we seem to have lost any session-day 
documents, including any purely engineering documents, we've lost the 
key paperwork that some light on this very disappointing practice.
Mike Gray