I'm with Andy on this 100%. I was at a conference a few weeks ago  
and the buzz now is Trusted Digital Repositories and furthermore,  
the certification of TDRs. There is already a two-tiered system  
developing where there are those with the expertise and money to  
store digital data in properly and those that can't. For the  
latter, outsourcing the storage to OCLC isn't really an option-- 
it's just too expensive and homebrewed solutions (Costco RAID)  
aren't going to impress funders. I'm guessing that in a couple of  
years if you don't have a certified TDR you aren't going to get  
grants. And that's a shame, because there is a lot of content out  
there that is at risk held by institutions that won't ever be able  
to afford to build (and maintain) a TDR.
I think the solution is regional, consortial, or discipline-based  
networks where the little folks can park their data cheaply or for  
free, but we aren't there yet and it will be years before we are  
there. Until then, people need options. I'm not in love with CD-R  
(or LTO--it's tape for heaven's sake) and storing hard drives on  
shelves can't be the whole solution, but I think that some  
combination of these are a reasonable option. If a combination of  
these can get an institution through the next ten years until  
they've got someplace to park their data online in a system that is  
monitoring data and verifying checksums, etc., then great.
David Seubert
UCSB
andy kolovos wrote:
Hi--
While I fully agree with what Tom and others are saying regarding  
managed storage, there's another level here that you guys seem  
simply to be dismissing--what do individuals and institutions who  
lack funds do to manage digital assets on a short-to-medium term  
basis?  I still feel external HDD has a place in a lower cost,  
comprehensive digital asset management plan for people and  
organizations with limited funding and access to technology.
Local historical societies here in VT are generating digital image  
files (for example) up the wazoo.  As their oral history projects  
move into the born digital domain, they're accumulating digital  
audio files as well.  Most of these organizations lack any budget  
outside of good will.  What would you have them do with these  
materials?  Not do interviews?  Not scan old images?  Better to  
recommend a combo of optical disc and multiple external HDD than  
have their files only sitting on the system drive of their 8 year  
old Compaq or on a pile of Staples CD-Rs alone.
While managed, redundant, backed up, server-based storage is an  
ideal and a goal, we as a field need to come up with some  
acceptable second tier recommendations as well.
Andy
Rob Poretti wrote:
Thanks Tom... You put a "grimmer" face on it, but you are 100%  
correct.
Rob Poretti
Sascom - Toronto
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-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List  
[mailto:ARSCLIST@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Fine
Sent: March 26, 2007 5:49 PM
To: ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Hard disk drives and DAT
I hope Richard and/or Parker and/or Spec Bros. jump in here. The  
ONLY answer is managed and constantly migrated storage. You  
simply cannot live by the old "put it on a shelf in a clean,  
cool room" idea anymore. Digital storage must be in constant  
motion -- literally since hard drives have been known to fail or  
never start up again if left idle on a shelf (ask around  
Hollywood, everyone has a horror story or two). You have to plan  
to have a "living" hard drive array that is redundant,  
preferably with a constantly mirrored clone at a different  
location, and plan on swapping out drives every XX hours of use  
or at worst when they inevitably fail. There are firms that do  
this on an out-source basis, I think. I believe the 90's dot- 
bomb term was "storage farms." Some of them are actually located  
in old bomb shelters and missle bunkers.
-- Tom Fine
----- Original Message ----- From: "andy kolovos"  
<akolovos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Hard disk drives and DAT
Lauren,
As a short-to-medium-term storage solution--and as a part of a  
more comprehensive
approach--multiple HDD is the best most of us can do at
this point in time.
I prefer Maxtor and Western Digital drives, and I favor those  
that come in enclosures that offer
FireWire and an on/off switch.  Very vexing to have no
on/off switch.
In some cases it can be more cost effective to purchase Maxtor/ 
WD internal drives, reliable
external enclosures and build them yourself. I've had good
luck with the "Neptune" line of
enclosures from Other World Computing
(http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/add-ons-and-hubs/encl
osure-kits) and have heard good
things about their "Mercury Elite" enclosures as well.
As others have mentioned, just like Coco Puffs are part of a  
complete breakfast that includes
toast, juice and etc., external HDD is part of comprehensive,  
lower-cost storage
approach that
includes optical disc and linear tape.
Not all of us can swing a RAID array.  Do the best you can with  
what you have.
best,
andy
--
Andy Kolovos
Archivist/Folklorist
Vermont Folklife Center
3 Court Street ; P.O. Box 442
Middlebury, VT 05753
(802) 388-4964
akolovos @ vermontfolklifecenter.org http:// 
www.vermontfolklifecenter.org
--
David Seubert, Curator
Performing Arts Collection
Davidson Library
University of California
Santa Barbara, CA 93106-9010
Tel: 805-893-5444 Fax: 805-893-5749
seubert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.library.ucsb.edu/speccoll/pa/